Maintenance :: Seagate ST750LX003 Momentus XT 750 GB - How To Defrag Solid State Hybrid Drive And Is It Safe
Feb 1, 2013
I just bought a Seagate ST750LX003 Momentus XT 750 GB as the new primary drive for my gaming laptop, and I'm wondering how to defrag them, and whether it is safe. I wanted the best of both worlds (space and speed) so I went for the middle ground. What is the difference between a regular HDD, SSHD, and a SSD? Do I just let Windows perform its' normal defrag routine as I normally would, or do I need to download some kind of proprietary software from Seagate that will do it? I like to use 3rd party software (UltimateDefrag) for my defrag operations, is all. And how much can I fill it up before it starts to slow down? I ask because I've heard that you cant fill an SSD up past around 50 to 60% or so before it slowly starts to degrade, since it needs room to perform its' TRIM (defrag) operations. Is this also true of SSHDs?
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May 7, 2013
My SSD (Intel 60GB) was becoming too small to hold my Windows 8 system partition so I found another use for that SSD and went back to HDD. I transferred whole SSD to HDD with Paragon Backup & Recovery 2013 free, and now the system gladly boots from HDD.
But Windows 8 is somehow still thinking that they are running on SSD. For example "Optimize Drives" (Ex Windows Defragmenter) shows "Solid State Drive" as media type and probably because it can't access TRIM functions, it is unable to defragment the drive, so it is yelling that "Optimization is not available":
How do I convince Windows 8 that they are running from HDD again?
I have tried to remove this disk from "Disk Drives" in Device Manager, also I removed/reinstalled everything under "IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers" and "Storage controllers" without any success.
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Oct 21, 2013
I have a Toshiba Satellite hybrid, with Windows 8, 4GB RAM and 128 SSD hard drive. I have full Microsoft office and very few other programs, there are the Toshiba installed software which I don't use and the windows 8 based 'apps' which I also hardly use.
My 128GB was about 70% full from week one, but now it is almost 100% full, I regularly carry out disk clean up, but I unable to get more than 1GB free on my hard drive, can this be right? How can I resolve this?
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Feb 24, 2014
Windows 8, but I've updated my box to Windows 8.1. I have a 250Gb Truecrypt file as my 'Documents stash' which I mount as a separate drive.
On Win 7 I could defrag this but on 8.1 the drive is greyed out not giving me chance to defrag it.
(See attached screenshots from Win 7 HP & 8.1 Core)
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Sep 15, 2014
I purchased a Seagate 1Tb external drive that came with "Seagate Dashboard" software to manage back-ups. What I would like to do is create 2 500Gb partitions and use my Acronis software to make mirror images of both my desktop and laptop. Is this do-able? Would it be advisable to delete the "Seagate Dashboard"?
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Oct 21, 2013
I updated to Windows 8.1 a couple of days ago on my desktop. Windows 8 was installed last June. I have a Seagate Free Agent GoFlex external drive connected to the computer for daily backups. Since upgrading to 8.1, this drive has been shutting itself off and then restarting at seeming random times. This event is accompanied by a soft buzz apparently coming from the desktop tower.
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Jul 23, 2014
That is, I can allocate it one through drive management but it still doesn't show next switch on in My Computer, so I must go in an allocate it one. Otherwise it works fine. Bit tedious after a while.
Do I have to reformat it completely to regain auto allocation of a letter?
Used to be fine, but not now. A USB 3.0 Toshiba 500 gig external drive (sealed unit) doesn't have this problem.
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May 14, 2013
So I tried to open defrag today for the first time with using Windows 8 and when I click on the application the command prompt opens and closes in about two seconds and then nothing happens.
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Aug 3, 2013
Installed 8.1 some 2 weeks ago (give or take).
Now today i wanted to look to my 2 external spindle drives if defrag had run and it did run......BUT also on my Samsung SSD's which i never do myself.
Windows 8 erroneously defrags SSDs, indeed. Doesn't look like it's been fixed in Windows 8.1.
Why Windows 8 defragments your SSD and how you can avoid this.
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Sep 10, 2013
I Defraged my comp to Optimize. After defrag, my mouse and keyboard no longer worked. I tried restarting, unpluging and switching to a wired mouse and keyboard. I can't get the comp to recognize them. I also switched between back and front ports.
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Jan 18, 2013
Do you use the built-in Windows Optimize Drivers (Disk Defrag) or do you use a third party product?
If third party product, which product and why?
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Mar 23, 2013
I am running Win 8 Pro.
My set up has 2 x 650 GB WD Black hard drives and a Samsung 840 (non pro) for the boot drive.
I have run the latest Samsung Magician, however the BIG problem is that it has stopped the windows 8 Defrag program.
I reinstalled Win 8 and all was OK, (now for the bit about me being thick -- ) I thought I would try the old version of Samsung Magician, and Bu**er me if has not only done the same thing again, turned off defrag and optimize, I am just unable to open defrag in order to defrag my WD drives.
I do not really want to reinstall Windows 8 again unless I have to, so how to switch defrag bag on again.
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Oct 28, 2013
I tried to upgrade to windows 8 through the store and if failed horribly, the pc refused to boot a an error code I that don't remember so I decided to wipe everything and install Windows 8.1 from a usb drive. Everything was fine for the past week and a half until 2 days ago when the disk defragmentation tool decided to stop working, I ran the tool many times after installing 8.1 and it has always worked but now I get a 0x80070057 error which should mean that the size of my partition is wrong. I did a chkdsk /r /f that took 2 hours to complete and it didn't find any errors and I also ran a sfc /scannow with no luck.
Here is a screenshot
After spending some time googling for the issue I found out that there are many Windows 8.1 users with the same issue and on the microsoft forums no one seems to be able to fix this. From what I understand this seems to be related to the size values of the partition which according to the defragger are wrong but the tool was working before and I didn't edit the partition in any way.
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Jul 8, 2014
I'm using Windows 8 Home Premium 64 Bit.
My Disk Defragmenter that came with the system will not open. When I try to open it, a CMD windows appears for 1 second and disappears. I have tried opening it in all ways.
I have tried:
Safe Mode
Sfc /Scannow
Chkdsk
Anti Malware scans
I need something like the answer for this question, only a way to do it in Windows 8. His instructions only work on Windows 7.
Disk Defragmenter won't open in Windows 7
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Jan 10, 2013
im using Windows 8 64bit and every time I try to defrag or optimize it it goes to pass 2.92% and just hangs there for hours before I just give up. also anylize takes forever to complete
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Mar 24, 2013
Whenever I run defrag this happens:
It goes away after about 0.1 second and I can't read what it says (it goes by to fast)
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Jun 4, 2014
It seems that Windows 8.1 Pro's scheduled defrag is consolidating free space, which is taking forever on one of my 2 TB data drives, which has about 300 GB free space. I stopped it at about 9%, and dfrgui immediately showed it as "OK (0% fragmented)". Clicking its Optimize button resulted in the defrag phase completing almost immediately, but then it was back to consolidating free space, starting at 5% this time. According to Task Manager, it's read/writing about 40 MB/sec, and the Active Time is over 90%. I really don't want this to go on for hours and hours and potentially repeat itself during future scheduled scans. Is it possible to alter this behavior, or should I just disable the weekly defrag task?
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Oct 27, 2013
I have this wired volume in my defrag screen after windows 8.1 upgrade what the heck is it here is a picture. Highlighted in blue is the volume ??
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Aug 13, 2014
I have a 3-months old Dell laptop, which I need to do a factory reset for, using the recovery partition.
Since I don't have an external hdd available, in order to backup everything I needed (roughly 95 GB), I shrunk my C drive by 100 gig and created a secondary partition, and just moved my files there.
Now, if I remember correctly, unlike windows disc-installation, it will not let me choose which drive to format and install the new OS on, it'll just delete everything and restore it to the state it was in when I first got it.
Since both drives are on the same HDD, will it actually be deleted? (the secondary drive). If yes, what can I do to "tell it" not to touch that drive?
System:
Inspiron 15 3537I5-4200U6GB DDR31TB 5400RPMAMD RADEON(TM) HD 8670M 2GB DDR3
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Nov 12, 2013
i am running windows 8 on my Toshiba Satellite L 300 , it was running smoothly and all its features are good too. but suddenly the screen turns out a solid color based on the color which was on desktop ( for example if i am having a yellowish theme, the solid color will be yellow ) .. i have seen a lot white and light yellow color the most when the screen change . after the color change the total system will be unresponsive, the only way i find is to press the power button for 2 seconds, ( ya full power off ) ... again if i start the system, may be it will work perfectly for a long time but suddenly again it happened..
the problem start before two weeks, i thought it may be due to some software error and i done a full system reboot and i don't have any program installed except windows 8, but still it exists. .. now i am sure that problem is somewhere in windows OS or my hardware ... i am unable to find whats going on ..
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Mar 17, 2013
Is the correct way to get to safe mode with networking to :
Change pc settings>general>troubleshoot>startup>restart......?
When I clicked on restart, a red warning occurred too fast for me to read it.
Maybe I made an error in the procedure as I was doing it from memory.
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Jul 3, 2014
Here's my situation. My computer is running Windows 8.1 There is only 1 physical HD, but it has many partitions. Here is a picture of my current HD setup
The problem is that the WRE partition is literally sitting between my C and D drives, so when I shrink the C drive partition, I cannot extend the D drive with the unallocated space because it is not sitting right next to the D drive (I'm trying to shrink the C from 370 to ~60 GB, then extend the D from 550 to 850 GB with the C drive's unallocated space).
However, I found something called "AOMEI partition manager", which will let me shrink the C drive, extend the WRE partition with the unallocated space, and then shrink the WRE partition to get the unallocated space next to the D drive so I can extend it. So I'm basically using the WRE partition as a middleman between the C and D drives.
I'll still have the WRE partition (after extending and reshrinking it), my system partitions, recovery partition and everything like that. I just don't know if resizing the WRE partition like that will make it nonfunctional or something, even though all the data will still be on it.
FYI I have already created a full hard disk image with Acronis of the current hard drive setup before trying anything. I also have a USB drive that is bootable with a Windows 8.1 ISO that I was initially going to use to just completely format the hard drive and use Acronis as my recovery program instead of Windows recovery partitions, but I'm too worried about the EFI boot partition and all that stuff and possibly making my computer unbootable.
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Sep 15, 2014
In the future I'm planning to build a new computer to replace this old hunk of junk and I'm curious as to one thing as I'm not entirely sure on this. Just how safe is using the High Performance Power Plan in Windows 8.1?
You see, my current rig is running an old i5 661, normally on the Balanced Power Plan on an old ASUS P7P55D-E Deluxe Motherboard with a GTX 660 and 4GB of RAM on 32-bit Windows 8.1.
But my future plan is to use an i5 4690K with a Corsair H110 All In One Water Cooler for CPU Cooling on a Z97 Motherboard and 8GB of RAM in 64-bit Windows 8.1.
I'm hoping to get quite a bit of performance on this next computer cause hey... I'm planning on using it for gaming and such. But also web browsing and chatting with friends. I hear how High performance is suggested for 'optimising' Windows 8.1 but how much safer is it...
And how much of a performance increase could I possibly see in comparison to the old rig?
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Jan 19, 2014
I just bought the HP Envy 17t-j100 Quad Edition with the 1TB hybrid drive and the 240GB SSD Upgrade Kit that you can get on the Customize and Buy page. I wanted to put the OS onto the SSD because I haul my laptop all over the countryside for work and it takes a beating and the SSD withstands that kind of treatment better. After a huge fiasco of trying to get mounting brackets and connecting cable that should come with the kit but don't, I finally got the thing physically installed in my second drive bay.
I tried using Acronis True Image to clone it over, as that was the cloning software that came with the SSD but apparently that version was incompatible with 8.1. So I bought the newer version, but apparently Acronis won't work if the drives are that different in size. I finally had a repair shop guy migrate it over for me but he had to enable Legacy booting to do it and now I have this obnoxious message in the lower right part of my screen:
"Windows 8.1
SecureBoot isn't configured correctly
Build 9600"
That is a minor annoyance and if I have to live with it, so be it. But I also find myself having difficulty downloading drivers from HP because now that I have a new SSD instead of the original hybrid drive, my specs no longer conform to the specs of my model of laptop and HP can't figure out which drivers are the right ones for my machine. I know I should have had the guy at the shop keep it and finish the job properly but I need my computer for my work and can't be without it overnight. My old laptop died and I'm limping along with this one as best I can until I get it up to speed.
The guy from the shop told me that I would have to disable Legacy booting if I wanted to get rid of that message. He also told me that to do that I would need to create a bootable disk and then re-install 8.1 after disabling Legacy booting on the SSD. This is the point at which my limited expertise fails me.
I am having trouble creating the bootable USB drive because when I try to download the file and enter my product key it says, "This product key cannot be used to install a retail version of WIndows 8.1." I take that to mean that my pre-installed 8.1 product key is not the same as the type of key needed for the download. So I'm stuck there.
My main question is this: Will it work to just do a full re-install using the existing 8.1 that was migrated from the hybrid drive to my SSD or will I end up screwed because I can't find the right drivers once I remove the few drivers the shop guy installed for me because I'm on a different type of drive than HP recognizes?
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Jan 11, 2014
Whenever I go to empty my recycle bin, my external seagate spins up. I looked at the properties and the drive is there listed as primary. I change it to "C" and it eventually defaults back to the external. why is this happening and how can I fix it permanently
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Sep 15, 2014
I googled SSD Hybrid Defrag and read some of the answers on 'to defrag or not defrag' - there seems to be two minds on this.
1. Do not defrag the Hybrid at all, the SSD section is a virtual drive that automatically stores the files, progs that you use the most for hi speed access. Any attempt will 'wear out' the SSD ???
2. You can defrag the SSD Hybrid because the SSD section is 'virtual' and will not be accessed by the Defragger??
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Apr 10, 2013
I bought internal seagate barracuda 3tb, and since I installed it inside my PC, I went to disk management and saw this
Then I made it in one partition and converted it from dynamic and MBR to basic and GPT, then I stored files in it, the problem is, after I installed windows 8 over windows 7 -which is in a separate drive not the seagate. I faced the same problem in the image above, windows couldn't dedicate the hard drive because it's dynamic and MBR. It has my files now. I want to convert it to basic and GPT without losing data because they're very important.
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Oct 26, 2013
Every since I updated to Windows 8.1 my seagate external hdd has been randomly turning off and coming back on when I start to use it or open a program again
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Nov 1, 2012
I installed windows 8 in HDD 1tb Seagate. Then I bought Corsair 240 SSD drive and fresh installed everything there. Now if I boot from SSD drive my Seagate won't show up and I have tried other cables I have 5 hard drives in my system. It shows up in boot menu but won't show up in Disk management or anywhere else.
Then I connected it to the USP port and disk shows up no problem. I would like to leave this copy in as a backup so I don't want to delete it. I can boot into these windows but then my Corsair SSD drive won't show up. Whats up here.
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Jan 23, 2014
On Acer 3820TG (Win 8.1) I am trying to force system to use hybrid shutdown/fast startup function. I've already tried all steps from this topic: Fast Startup - Force Use by All Users in Windows 8 but no success - system performs full shutdown. The only solution that works for me is shutting down with command "shutdown.exe /s /hybrid /t 0". Then system shuts down in ~5 sec and starts in ~15 s.
If you shut down a computer from the right-click-left-bottom-corner menu in desktop mode, then click Shutdown -> system performs full shutdown. If you click Shutdown in charms bar -> system performs hybrid shutdown. Now my PC is starting in 8s, laptop in 15s.
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Sep 17, 2014
I recently installed windows 8.1 and there is a problem with the windows Fast Start up (hybrid boot) feature as sometimes it works and windows starts very fast and sometimes it doesn't starts fast but just take sometime to start as if I started from a cold boot. I tried everything from inside the windows to solve this problem but nothing worked
I read in some threads that this fast boot technology works by saving the system into a hibernation file in the system drive when you shutdown the PC and at boot Hybrid boot well just use this hibernation file to start up faster by loading some system related files from it.
So I thinks that sometimes it loads the information from the hibernation file to load the system fast and sometimes it doesn't load anything from the hibernation file and load as if it was starting on a cold boot.
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