Win 8.1 - Cannot Force Hybrid Shutdown / Fast Startup
Jan 23, 2014
On Acer 3820TG (Win 8.1) I am trying to force system to use hybrid shutdown/fast startup function. I've already tried all steps from this topic: Fast Startup - Force Use by All Users in Windows 8 but no success - system performs full shutdown. The only solution that works for me is shutting down with command "shutdown.exe /s /hybrid /t 0". Then system shuts down in ~5 sec and starts in ~15 s.
If you shut down a computer from the right-click-left-bottom-corner menu in desktop mode, then click Shutdown -> system performs full shutdown. If you click Shutdown in charms bar -> system performs hybrid shutdown. Now my PC is starting in 8s, laptop in 15s.
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Oct 18, 2012
I've had problems since yesterday regarding the hybrid (fast startup) shutdown.
The machine just won't do it, instead it does a full shutdown. I have the option thickened under power options but it still doesn't work.
The only software change was running a portable version of 00 Defrag 16. I used a portable version because installing it would cause the problem I described above (maybe something about reg files?). I've used the portable version a few days ago but just to scan the drive, yesterday I started to defragment the drive and then the problem surfaced.
hyberfil.sys
Running the shutdown -s -hybrid -t -f 0 does a full shutdown too.
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Feb 26, 2014
I upgraded from win7 to Windows 8 and i had notice that i don't have fast startup and hibernation option in shutdown options. I checked in command prompt and i have this and . Laptop starting slower then my 7 year old Toshiba running Windows 8. Is this coused by lack of Ram. I have 6gb.
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Mar 29, 2014
Over the last few days I built a new PC with ASUS A87 Pro MB, no PCIe cards, and Samsung ssd 840 Pro boot drive. Lots of changes on a daily basis. For a while, the FAST STARTUP hybrid boot was working. Then it stopped, and I'm trying to debug it.
When PAST STARTUP is enabled in power options, I get a repeatable Critical Error - Windows did not shut down properly, and the startup time is as long as it would be without FAST STARTUP enabled. There are no BSODS, and no apparent harm from the Critical Shutdown error.
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Sep 17, 2014
I recently installed windows 8.1 and there is a problem with the windows Fast Start up (hybrid boot) feature as sometimes it works and windows starts very fast and sometimes it doesn't starts fast but just take sometime to start as if I started from a cold boot. I tried everything from inside the windows to solve this problem but nothing worked
I read in some threads that this fast boot technology works by saving the system into a hibernation file in the system drive when you shutdown the PC and at boot Hybrid boot well just use this hibernation file to start up faster by loading some system related files from it.
So I thinks that sometimes it loads the information from the hibernation file to load the system fast and sometimes it doesn't load anything from the hibernation file and load as if it was starting on a cold boot.
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Oct 18, 2011
Win 8 hibernates the kernel session to speed-up boot times.
To fully shutdown Win 8, see following:
Shut Down Shortcut - Create in Windows 8
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Jun 6, 2014
I had to do force power shutdown it while the whole system got stuck up following Prime95 stability scan when I customised blend settings for CPU 100% load along with 92% memory usage. Next time it was when the system freezed following CoreTemp startup (when I researched it through forums i could notice that the freezing issue is a bug in their latest version still persisting while running on win 8.1 OS). The last one was when I had to do when while shutting down normally I unplugged the usb connection from the port and system remained 'on' for unusually long time while screen had already turned off.
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Sep 5, 2013
Today I was shutting down my computer because I received the issue of 'plugged in, not charging...' once again. When it was shutting off everything shut down but the power was still on (the blue light on my laptop keyboard was on, it's off when the laptop is off).
I then decided to force-shut down my laptop by holding down the power button. After doing that I tried to turn it back and it refused to go past this screen:
[IMG] [URL] ......
After waiting for a while and returning from a shower it then went to a black screen which only showed my mouse icon. I installed windows 8 about 6 months ago from the official website for a fee; I didn't use a boot disk.
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May 26, 2013
I created a new task using the task manager with "at system startup" trigger. This used to work with Windows 7, but now with Windows 8 and its hybrid boot feature, the task is only run when the system does a full boot.
So, how do I run a command at hybrid boot startup without the user being logged in? I don't want to disable hybrid boot either.
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Jun 27, 2013
I noticed from some days that in windows 8 pro, the Fast Start-up did no longer works. and windows booting loading and shutdown takes many time, 2 or 3 days before it was fast since I installed windows 8. why is that,? although these option still checked,
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Jul 31, 2014
I have a desktop with Windows 8 upgraded to 8.1, I can enter the BIOS setup by pressing the DEL key only when the preceding shutdown is a complete shutdown (shutdown with fast startup turned off).
If the desktop is shutdown with fast startup turned on (incomplete shutdown), and Windows cannot be loaded during the subsequent starting. How can I enter the BIOS to select to boot from a USB stick?
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Jan 15, 2014
Windows 8.1 ... Noticed shortly after upgrading the Asus VivoTab Smart to Windows 8.1 (from Windows 8) -- that sometimes the system's date and time will be incorrect after a shut-down, turn on cycle. Sometimes the clock is as fast as three hours, but others much longer. Interestingly, if you go into PC Settings > Time & Settings and then toggle off the "Set time automatically" option, and then toggle it back on, the time and date are immediately corrected. However, the time would again be wrong after a shutdown. If the tablet is restarted, though, the time is correct again.
THE SYSTEM: Windows 8.1 (upgraded from Windows Store). Intel Atom processor.
WHAT'S BEEN TRIED: I:
1. Stopped the Windows Time service, registered it again and restated it. The issue remained. I entered the desktop and clicked on the time in the lower right-hand corner of the screen. From here I confirmed the time zone was correct and changed the date and time. That fixes the problem during the current session, but the time/date are again wrong on reboot.
2. Tried Safe Mode. In Safe Mode, the time is correct and stays correct.
3. Tried Clean Boot. In Clean Boot, with all non-Microsoft services disables, the issue returns and the time is wrong again.
THE BREAKTHROUGH THAT BEGS FOR AN ANSWER: While reading this thread, I read up on Windows 8's Fast Startup. Just on a lark, I went into the Power settings area of the Control Panel and turned off Fast Startup. Now the clock is correct. There's a downside , of course, to this in that shutdown and startup is notably slower.
The tablet now keeps perfect time -- but cannot have Fast Startup - which is a bummer for a tablet.
QUESTIONS:
1. Is this is hardware issue? Asus is offering an RMA -- but hate to add to a landfill when this is fixable with software.
2. Is there a way to check the BIOS clock on a Windows 8.1 tablet ? I believe it's a UEFI system....
3. Is there a way to fix this so fast startup can be used -- and have correct time?
4. Is this a known issue?
5. Is there a way to make sure the Windows Time service is activated in a Fast Startup.
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Oct 24, 2013
I'm not sure what's exactly the problem but sometimes Windows 8.1 hangs at the Windows logo at boot with Fast Startup enabled on a mSATA SSD with my Lenovo Y570 laptop.
My laptop does not support Secure Boot/GPT or UEFI, so I'm really unsure if that's the problem.
Once I disable Fast Startup the boot process never hangs ever but it makes my bootup time slightly slower.
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Oct 6, 2013
It seems that Windows 8 will only install some updates after a restart. No surprises here. However, since the Windows 8 "user" shutdown is not a real shutdown, but a hibernation (hence it will not be followed by a restart, and will not install updates), Windows 8 forces us to an extra restart/reboot. Is there a a way to simulate the logical behaviour of all previous Windows editions? That is, when updates that require a restart are installed, if the user shuts down, the updates get installed and the pc shuts down...Currently, my only away around this, is to select restart, wait... then enter the BIOS and turn off the pc there... Not intuitive.
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Feb 3, 2013
When I start up, log off, or shut down my PC, (Just upgraded to windows 8 pro a few days ago from windows 7 pro) I get a black screen for 30 seconds to a minute. The screen is back lit, and windows 8 still functions 100% afterward. I have updated all drivers.
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Jun 21, 2013
Recently I updated my hp dv6 3122sl to Windows 8. Now, obviously the drivers provided by microsoft didn't work, so I installed the softpaq by hp in this order ....
1. sp52351 for intel hd graphics (1st gen)
2. sp50640 for my ati radeon 5470 (it's important to set compatibility with windows 7 for this one) and now the switching is working fine.
However there's a big big problem. The screen flickers 3-4 times at startup and shutdown if I enable fastboot from the control panel, and it's so annoying that I disabled it, sadly.
I tried to update drivers, using custom drivers by leshcat and later official drivers by ati (13.1 for example, which I installed over the hp ones), and the they -more or less- worked, because I could use the fastboot smoothly... but my pc had several thermal shutdowns since I installed other drivers! So I switched back to the old sp52351 and sp50640.
There it is my question: (Maybe with intel+ati 5470) have flickers at startup and shutdowns?If yes, any way to update drivers without make my laptop blow up?
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Jan 19, 2014
I just bought the HP Envy 17t-j100 Quad Edition with the 1TB hybrid drive and the 240GB SSD Upgrade Kit that you can get on the Customize and Buy page. I wanted to put the OS onto the SSD because I haul my laptop all over the countryside for work and it takes a beating and the SSD withstands that kind of treatment better. After a huge fiasco of trying to get mounting brackets and connecting cable that should come with the kit but don't, I finally got the thing physically installed in my second drive bay.
I tried using Acronis True Image to clone it over, as that was the cloning software that came with the SSD but apparently that version was incompatible with 8.1. So I bought the newer version, but apparently Acronis won't work if the drives are that different in size. I finally had a repair shop guy migrate it over for me but he had to enable Legacy booting to do it and now I have this obnoxious message in the lower right part of my screen:
"Windows 8.1
SecureBoot isn't configured correctly
Build 9600"
That is a minor annoyance and if I have to live with it, so be it. But I also find myself having difficulty downloading drivers from HP because now that I have a new SSD instead of the original hybrid drive, my specs no longer conform to the specs of my model of laptop and HP can't figure out which drivers are the right ones for my machine. I know I should have had the guy at the shop keep it and finish the job properly but I need my computer for my work and can't be without it overnight. My old laptop died and I'm limping along with this one as best I can until I get it up to speed.
The guy from the shop told me that I would have to disable Legacy booting if I wanted to get rid of that message. He also told me that to do that I would need to create a bootable disk and then re-install 8.1 after disabling Legacy booting on the SSD. This is the point at which my limited expertise fails me.
I am having trouble creating the bootable USB drive because when I try to download the file and enter my product key it says, "This product key cannot be used to install a retail version of WIndows 8.1." I take that to mean that my pre-installed 8.1 product key is not the same as the type of key needed for the download. So I'm stuck there.
My main question is this: Will it work to just do a full re-install using the existing 8.1 that was migrated from the hybrid drive to my SSD or will I end up screwed because I can't find the right drivers once I remove the few drivers the shop guy installed for me because I'm on a different type of drive than HP recognizes?
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Sep 15, 2014
I googled SSD Hybrid Defrag and read some of the answers on 'to defrag or not defrag' - there seems to be two minds on this.
1. Do not defrag the Hybrid at all, the SSD section is a virtual drive that automatically stores the files, progs that you use the most for hi speed access. Any attempt will 'wear out' the SSD ???
2. You can defrag the SSD Hybrid because the SSD section is 'virtual' and will not be accessed by the Defragger??
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Sep 15, 2014
Recently, I have a hybrid laptop (Lenovo Yoga 2 13). It recognizes my different laptop positions, so the keyboard is disabled when I rotate the screen.
But when I use it in laptop mode (using regular keyboard to type), I still get the touch keyboard on screen when I touch the screen on a writing field. How can I disable the touch keyboard if I use the tablet in laptop mode?
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Oct 21, 2013
I have a Toshiba Satellite hybrid, with Windows 8, 4GB RAM and 128 SSD hard drive. I have full Microsoft office and very few other programs, there are the Toshiba installed software which I don't use and the windows 8 based 'apps' which I also hardly use.
My 128GB was about 70% full from week one, but now it is almost 100% full, I regularly carry out disk clean up, but I unable to get more than 1GB free on my hard drive, can this be right? How can I resolve this?
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Feb 1, 2013
I just bought a Seagate ST750LX003 Momentus XT 750 GB as the new primary drive for my gaming laptop, and I'm wondering how to defrag them, and whether it is safe. I wanted the best of both worlds (space and speed) so I went for the middle ground. What is the difference between a regular HDD, SSHD, and a SSD? Do I just let Windows perform its' normal defrag routine as I normally would, or do I need to download some kind of proprietary software from Seagate that will do it? I like to use 3rd party software (UltimateDefrag) for my defrag operations, is all. And how much can I fill it up before it starts to slow down? I ask because I've heard that you cant fill an SSD up past around 50 to 60% or so before it slowly starts to degrade, since it needs room to perform its' TRIM (defrag) operations. Is this also true of SSHDs?
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Sep 24, 2012
know of a hack or software to make sure that metro (start screen) always opens on my second monitor? This would make life with windows eight a whole lot easier.
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Feb 3, 2014
I Setup window8.1 in my PC,during setup i had 4GB Ram in my PC, but my 2GB ram gets problem so I unplug 2Gb from my PC now i have 2GB in my PC, when I logged in my System within 5minutes i gets Force restart.
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Sep 15, 2014
I accidentally deleted my Fast Boot boot options and when I enable it my laptop restarts and shows the BIOS, without booting into my system(s). However, when I enable CSM boot it gives me option of booting into my systems. I want to restore my Fast Boot options so my laptop boots up faster and basically because my laptop is made for Fast Boot.
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Sep 27, 2013
I have Asus Maximus V formula z77 with latest EUFI firmware, and EVGA GTX 680 classified with EUFI firmware. Bios is set to fast boot etc, and it is enabled in windows, but I'm seeing no difference from before. I was using boot racer and seeing 11-14 second windows load times with another 10-15 til desktop. Averaging around 28 second boot speeds, whether from a fast boot shut down or a restart. My OS drive is a Samsung 840 EVO 250GB.
My windows 7 booted faster on an OCZ Vertex 4 128GB.
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Mar 23, 2013
I wanted to know if fast startup drains power cause i know sleep drains a bit and hibernate draws even less.
I have a desktop pc and i just want to know if for example it is better to use the CMD full shutdown or disable fast startup when i want to leave for holidays or the weekend for example so i can save some money from my bill .
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Aug 1, 2014
I've now optimized my remaining Windows XP system --removed all the junk and duplicate programs which run on later versions of Windows so I've got a nice small tidy XP system -- basically Scanner (old canon photo scanner N1240), some VINYL editing and cutting software, OCR software, Minidisc software (still great for portable RECORDING !!) and an HP plotter and one or two odd programs. I don't need Photoshop or office any more in the XP system nor Ms Office, and I don't bother with the Internet on it either so no security problems there.
I've kept connectivity for printing (Epson 1400 printer) - the whole OS is 12 GB and it boots up in about 2 Secs (a VM running from a Linux host) --I've allocated it 1 GB - I'm sure I could run it in 768 MB too.
On my 8GB laptop it runs fine concurrently with a Windows 8.1 VM (allocated 4GB RAM for that) both on a Linux Host.
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Dec 18, 2012
I am currently running a 64 bit version of Windows 8 Pro with all available MS updates applied to it.
I have the need to change the name of one of the program groups that appear on the All Apps screen.
Let's say the group name is "Test". And I want to change the name to "Answer".
I navigate to the Desktop interface.
I go to: C:ProgramDataMicrosoftWindowsStart MenuPrograms
I rename the folder "Test" to "Answer"
I navigate back to the Metro interface.
I open the All Apps screen, but I still "see" the group named "Test".
Even if I log out and log back on. Or. if I log on as a different user.
Is there a way for me to force Windows 8 to update the All Apps screen ?
By the way ........
The above folder has a shortcut in it that points to Notepad.exe.
If I follow the same procedure (above) to rename the shortcut inside of the folder, the new shortcut name appears immediately when I return to the All Apps screen.
It's only the group name, that is not refreshing on the All Apps screen. (For some reason.)
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Dec 12, 2013
I've got a Macbookpro
One of the best things I like is being able to find files *instantly*
I'm a directory freak and looove to embed my files in sooo many levels deep
On the Mac, I'll search. I'll blink... and the results has come back
(I hate the interface which I haven't quite got to grips with just yet)
On Windows: there's a file. I don't know what it's called. I don't know where I've put it. I know I last used it 3 months ago and it's a Word doc. I don't know what drive I've put it on...
So I search the whole damn computer... for a doc file less than 6 months old
I then go fishing... go for a coffee... have a bath...
And when I get back 5 hours later... hey presto... Windows gives me a list of results.
I know there was some indexing programs - like Google Desk (erm... I think that's what it's called - I could just be making that up from my mind)... I know Microsoft had one as well... and a few other 3rd party programs where available.Where are they?
I have Windows 8 - I thought it would be built in?
One thing I don't like is adding an extra layer - thereby slowing my machine down
On Mac it's part of the blood system - it's inbuilt and takes no overhead
I assume, every single time a file gets added or removed... the file record database is updated.
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Jun 18, 2014
Windows to go doesn't seem to have a Fast boot option -- Not a real issue since I use an SSD for this but just curious. I suppose if Windows to Go is being used on different computers and the idea is to use the external device totally then it obviously doesn't make sense to store a file on the Host PC's HDD.
Anyway two screenshots -- you can see the Windows to Go doesn't have a fast boot option. Ist screenshot is from Windows to Go -- both running Windows 8.1 enterprise update 1 x-64 on REAL (not Virtual) Machines.
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Jul 26, 2013
I use several applications (video encoders, download tools etc.) that offer a "shutdown when done" option. What I've noticed with Win 8 x64, is that when this type of shutdown is executed, Fast Startup is disabled and when the PC is turned back on, boot-up time is significantly increased (similar to a restart, where Fast Startup is also disabled). Is there a way around this? It seems unlikely that all these applications do something wrong. Maybe Windows treats this type of shutdown differently?
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