Black Screen With Cursor After Windows 7 Logo
Jul 4, 2011I have xfire 5770 with driver 11.5b hotfix and win7 ultimate. This is fresh built so no hardware fault.
620w corsair and 4 gb kingston blu, i7 2600k
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Black Screen After Windows Logo
Nov 19, 2011I'am running windows 7 professional. When i boot the PC, i have no trouble up to the point of the windows logo. When this disappears my screen (SyncMaster 913n) keep displaying the text "optimal screen resolution is 1280x1024 60 hertz" and then i dont see anything else than that. Even if i change the screen resolution to 800x600 i get the message. My GFX is 8800 Geforce GT with the drivers 285.62 (64Bit) same issue. Everything was working fine earlier today, then after a reboot i got this issue. The computer is a clean re-install so can their be missing some drivers besides the GT 8800 that can make the problem?
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my specs are:
Intel core 2 duo 2.4 ghz
2 gb RAM
250 GB HDD
geForce 9500 gt
PS: i didn't install or configure anything before the second time the power got down, and after the first one the pc started fine.
Black Screen After Windows 7 Logo?
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Nov 3, 2009So last night I turned off my PC as usual. Rebooted it this morning and every time the Windows 7 Logo disappears, all I see is a black screen, no mouse pointer, cant bring up task manager, the pc seems unresponsive. I am currently running the PC in safe mode.
There are other threads on the forums and on google, I have tried everything so far. As a list for you, this is what I have tried:
Windows Restore
Windows Repair
Reinstalling Windows 7 (will not allow me to do so from safe mode)
Booting Windows in low resolution mode.
Booting windows from the Win 7 CD I made, this causes me to get past the windows logo, then all I see is a mouse pointer and a windows background.
Using winkey + P does nothing.
I have 2 GeForce 9800 GX2s - I use 2 displays normally, occasionally using a third. The machine was running fine last night and no new software has been installed for the past 3 days. I assume the issue is multi-display related, however the pc is totally non responsive after the windows logo which suggests something else =/.
I am totally at a loss and need this PC for my work (I work from home in Austria for several companies in other countries), I have been at this since about 5am and 5 hours later there has been no change.
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I tried booting into
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TL;DR:
1) Can I find my win7 activation key with a key-finding/decrypting program while using my linux boot?
2) I've read that my GPU (nvidia 460) or even PSU (Corsair 650) could be to blame- are there ways to troubleshoot/verify that if I don't have other parts to replace them with?
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Sep 6, 2012I am running Windows 7 Home Premium.All of a sudden, it has stopped starting up without me installing anything new.I gets past the bios, shows the Windows logo and then before the login page appears, the screen goes black and only has the mouse pointer (which I can move around curiously!).I have tried doing Startup repair, loading in Safe Mode, loading with lower screen resolution, loading with Last Known Good Configuaration, done a memory scan: they all lead to the same result.I don't think it is an issue with the Hard Drive because I can still hear it spinning, also, I am able to pull files off it when I plug it in to my USB (using an adapter). Also, Windows loads to some point and it would get stuck at the bios if it was.Don't think it is the graphics card or I wouldn't be able to see anything that I see up until that point including the mouse pointer.I have tried using Google but many places have left this unresolved or the problem is not exactly like mine.
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OS Name Microsoft Windows 7 Professional
Version 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Build 7601
Other OS Description Not Available
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name *****
System Manufacturer INTEL_
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