Windows 8.1 - ACL Permissions Get Messed Up?
Sep 15, 2014
I just freshly installed Windows 8.1. So here it goes. I use folder redirection for my user profile folders. I'm redirecting the folders
from: C:UsersKevin
to: C:UsersKevin
Before redirecting them though, I copied the exact ACL's (permissions, owner, inheritance, etc.) of the C:Users and C:UsersKevin folder to the D:Users and D:UsersKevin folder, respectively.
I then created the appropriate user folders under D:UsersKevin and did the folder redirection. The problem is that any file/folder inside the D:UsersKevin folder (doesn't matter if it is deep in the child folder as long as the parent is the D:UsersKevin folder) that I "share" the ACL permissions get messed up. When messed up, I mean that if I share the folder to the owner, which is me, the permission that will be under the security tab will ONLY BE ME. It seems that it's breaking the rules of NTFS permissions wherein everything is cumulative.
This does not happen if I do the same in the C:UsersKevin folder or even in the D:Users folder.
Originally, the permissions of the D:UsersKevin are SYSTEM, Administrators, and Kevin with Full Control. That is the exact same ACL for the C:UsersKevin folder.
I tried adding the authenticated users (modify) and users (read & execute) and that seems to solve the problem.
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Aug 13, 2014
Lenovo ThinkCentre
Windows 8.1 64-bit pro with Media Centre (installed on SSD)
16BG memory
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When this first occurred, I enabled the touch keyboard, but found that the screwed mapping matched the USB keyboard. Also tried disconnecting/reconnecting the keyboard and uninstalling/re-installing from Device Manager, but no change.
Sometimes the problem goes away after a few minutes, other times I have to log out or reboot.
I figure that it must be something related to the user account, as it would be impossible to login otherwise.
The machine is fully patched, has the latest 8.1 Intel Chipset updates and a clean bill of health according Norton Internet Security.
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Ever get this message or worse, one that does not have the access button attached? you cannot read it, you cannot look at it and you cannot delete it.
There are even worse issues where the permissions are GREYED OUT and you cannot do anything to them. (see below for a solution)
Windows 8 Consumer Preview has a robust permissions scheme that is more geared towards business users rather than err, consumers. An inherited permission means that Windows 8 set the Permissions on a volume, drive, or folder, that same set of permissions will be applied to all folders underneath it.
The solution is to ENABLE INHERITANCE to the volume drive or folder to gain access:
Another solution is to ADD a group called Everyone and give them full control:
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This REALLY sucks and the only solution I have found is a reg hack called "Take Ownership"
Add "Take Ownership" to Explorer Right-Click Menu in Win 7 or Vista - How-To Geek
Install the reg (right click and install) then right click on the folder or drive and select Take Ownership. That will allow you to go back into permissions and select full read/write controls by users.
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