Maintenance :: Windows 8.1 Chkdsk Scan Hanging?
Jun 13, 2014
Today I've tried doing a Chkdsk scan on my primary drive. Through the console, I entered this line to start the process on a re-boot 'chkdsk /f /r c:'.
I afterwards left it to do it's work for the next 1 and half hours '6:40-8:10pm', during this time I went to check on the progress of the scan and what I saw was that it was only '10%' into completion, this confused me greatly as previous computers that I have owned would atleast be around 70, or 80% percent completed, so not knowing what to do, I did a cold-boot.
From what I can tell, no visible damage has afflicted said the drive I did the chkdsk scan process on, but I would still very much like to know why my scan is hanging.
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Feb 24, 2014
I have some questions regarding the new Chkdsk in Windows 8 (I'm using Windows 8.1 Pro 64bit).
note that Windows 8's Chkdsk has changed considerably since the previous Windows versions; so if you know about the Chkdsk in Windows 7 or previous Windows versions, this could not apply to the Chkdsk in Windows 8.
I also point out that I'm talking about the GUI version, accessible from the drive's properties Window.
My main questions are: when Chkdsk has finished scanning, and the results window appears, can I at once proceed with the following, or should I wait some time:
1) In case of an external USB drive, disconnect the hard drive (with "safely remove hardware", even if the cache is turned off), and turn it off.
2) In case of an internal drive (HDD or SSD), reboot Windows, or turn off the computer.
My worry is that if I would disconnect a USB drive, or reboot or turn off the PC in case of an internal drive, before the Chkdsk-related activity is finished, then the file-system of the disk in question could get damaged.
My doubts come from the following facts:
- I have been told that when the Chkdsk results window appears, this means that Chkdsk has finished working with that drive; but I have noticed that some short drive activity is happening some seconds (about 6) after the results window appears (should be a write activity, not sure if also read activity). I noticed this by observing the LED on my USB drives, and also by monitoring the drives in question with Windows 8's new Taskmanager.
- In case of disconnecting USB drives, I have been told that I can be sure that if some drive activity is happening, then the "safely remove hardware" feature won't have effect, and would warn me that there is disk access going on; but I have tried to select "safely remove hardware" while Chkdsk was in the middle of a scan, and the result was that Chkdsk got interrupted (with an error messsage appearing probably from Chkdsk), and the USB hard drive got removed. Though this seems not to have caused any file-system errors (I did another Chkdsk scan later).
You may think that I just need to look at the drive's LED, or monitor the drive's activity with the new Taskmanager, and take note of after how much time the drive activity ceases. Then I would just need to wait so long before disconnecting the USB drive, or rebooting or turning off the PC.
My problem here is that I'm not sure if the new Taskmanager, or the drive's LED, are sensible enough to detect even the smallest disk access, which could get unnoticed. I'm not sure how much I should wait... seconds? Minutes? What do you think? Perhaps there's no need to wait at all?
I did some tests by disconnecting (with "safely remove hardware") a USB drive shortly after doing a Chkdsk on it. Then I did another Chkdsk after turning it on again. I didn't get any error message from Chkdsk. But I'm still worried that there could be an unfortunate moment, during which a disconnection (still with "safely remove hardware") could cause problems, perhaps because in that moment a write operation could be in process.
I think I have read that the new Chkdsk in Windows 8 uses VSS ("Shadow Copy") to check the drives while keeping them online. With this new Chkdsk, I think it is possible to continue using the drive while the scan is happening, even on the system drive.
I was thinking about this: is it possible that the short activity which I have noticed after Chkdsk's results window appears, comes from this Shadow Copy Service, which is "unmounting" (?) the shadow copy used by Chkdsk?
If this is true, is it important to let the "unmounting" task happen, or can I disconnect, reboot, or turn off before it starts? And what happens if I interrupt this "unmounting" task in the middle, while it is in process?
Does it make some sense to wait some time after doing a Chkdsk, or can I at once proceed to disconnect the USB drive, or reboot or turn off the PC (in case of internal drives)?
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Jan 16, 2014
After I get to the event viewer, where do I go from there?
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Apr 8, 2014
Delay Chkdsk start up time at OS Boot | Windows 8 & 8.1 (Or Disable Altogether)
Previous to Windows 8 if Chkdsk needed to run without prompt the user had the ability to cancel if so desired. Since Windows 8, the user input has been removed.
At the least, you can change the delay setting as follows:
Modify DWORD "AutoChkTimeout"
IMAGE ONE:
1. Open Regedit:
One way to open regedit is to hit the Winkey+S and type regedit, hit enter when you see it appear.
2. Navigate to the following registry key:
Code: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESYSTEMCurrentControlSetControlSession Manager 3. Click on the folder "Session Manager"
4. In the right hand pane you will see registry values. Right click on the value "AutoChkTimeout" and select "Modify" (See image one)
If the value is missing, create it (See image two)
5. Change the "Value data:" to the desired delay time of your choice.
e.x. Changing the value to 10, will delay the Chkdsk start time by 10 seconds.
Click OK, close the registry.
Finished.
Create DWORD "AutoChkTimeout"
IMAGE TWO:
If the registry value "AutoChkTimeout" is not present:
Right click on an empty space in the right hand pain (in folder "Session Manager")
Select "New"
Select "DWORD (32-Bit) Value
Name it "AutoChkTimeout" (No Quotation Marks "")
Follow step 4. above.
Remember:
Name = AutoChkTimeout
Base = Hexadecimal
Value Data = Delaytime (in seconds)
DISABLE automatic repair in Windows 8 & Windows 8.1
If you would like to disable automatic repair altogether:
1. Open the command prompt as Administrator (an elevated instance). If you have no idea how to open an elevated command prompt. Hit Winkey+S type in cmd.exe, when it appears, right click on the name and choose "Run as administrator"
2. Type the following text into the cmd window
Code: bcdedit /set recoveryenabled NO
You have now disabled the Automatic repair function.
To reinable: Follow step 1 and in step 2 type in the following text:
Code: bcdedit /set recoveryenabled YES
Having disabled the Automatic repair feature, you can follow Brink's tutorial on manually running Chkdsk > Here:
CHKDSK - Check a Drive for Errors in Windows 8
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Apr 25, 2013
I have read that Windows 8 has a new Chkdsk, which checks the file-system integrity in background. I'm using Windows 8 Pro 64bit (and NTFS file-system on all drives).
Does this improved Chkdsk check the file-system just when the computer is not used, or does it check it also while the user is working? Or does it scan the drives just when it's maintenance time?
Does it still make sense to run a manual Chkdsk on some occasions, or can I just not worry and let Chkdsk do its checks automatically? Such occasions would be for example after the computer completely hangs and I have it to brutally turn it off with the power switch (happened lately with a Linux live-CD), or after problems with the electric line (loss of power/power outage, resulting in instant turning-off).
In other words, is it useful to run a manual Chkdsk when there is a suspect that something could have gone wrong with the file-system, or can I just continue working and let Chkdsk do its verifications?
How long should it take (more or less) from when a file-system corruption arises, to when it gets detected by Chkdsk?
What worries me, is that not doing a Chkdsk at once, to repair eventual problems, may make the problems get bigger while the hard disk (or SSD) gets used. And they could get such big that they could not get repaired anymore (just an hypothesis).
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May 23, 2013
I have a dual boot laptop with Windows 8 and Win7. When I choose to run chkdsk /f from Command Prompt(Admin) on my Windows 8 boot drive, I get the normal message that says disk is in use and to type "Y" to schedule it to run on restart. I type "Y" and hit "Enter", but if I either Restart or Shutdown and turn laptop back on, and choose to boot Windows 8, chkdsk seems to cancel itself. I get the message to "press any key" in 2 seconds if I want to cancel the disk check, but I never press or do anything yet chkdsk seems to cancel itself. When Windows 8 boots I have looked in Event Viewer and there is no sign of any chkdsk or wininit event that says it checked disk for errors.
I have gotten the message in Action Center, to reboot to scan and repair errors which works fine. Right clicking my boot drive, going to the Tools tab and scanning drive for errors also works. My only issue is scheduling to check my boot partition for errors via command prompt.
Must I disable Fast Startup/Hybrid Boot for the scheduled chkdsk to work or something else?
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Dec 28, 2012
I'm having troubles with a disk check.
Firstly, I'd like to mention that I've had this PC for a while... I've even taken the whole thing apart and swapped out all of the components (slowly upgraded over time). It's actually at the stage where I've been left with all the old parts as spares, and put everything back together, almost exactly as it was when I bought it. All in all, the initial build is probably 2 or 3 years old now (for the most part, the specs can be found here).
After formatting the hard drive, putting things together back with the old build, and booting up Windows 8 onto it as a gift for my dad, most things were working fine, but one exe file which I copied across wasn't running (at least one which I noticed). I checked up the error code, found people with similar problems, and heard it could just be that the file was corrupted.
So, to get to the main point... I figured it wouldn't hurt to run a disk check, in case there were any other errors or problems. I knew it would take a while, so I opened command prompt, and typed in "chkdsk C: /r", before hitting enter, letting it schedule the disk check for next startup, rebooting the PC, and then leaving it to do its thing. It's been running probably for about 4 or so hours now, and for most of that time it's been at 27% on "Scanning and repairing drive (C:)". Normally I'd just give in and force shut down at this point, but I'm wondering... what's the best course of action if it doesn't get anywhere with this?
I'd really prefer not to force shut down, in case it causes any errors... I mean to say the least it's taken some effort and persistence to get the old build up and running again.
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I have been having trouble with my laptop lately. I was trying to install a new driver for my graphics card when my computer suddenly rebooted, I was forced to refresh Windows 8, then an even bigger problem happened, windows kept thinking that it was not registered but when i go to system from the control panel it says it is registered and gives me the product code, so I read somewhere that doing the chkdsk scan will fix this so i did it, first it was stuck 27% for about 4 hours then it is currently stuck at 100%, its been at 100%for about 13 hours now. I do not know what to do, afraid to force restart, might cause errors.
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I have an Acer Aspire E1-571 laptop with a 750 GB HDD partitioned in the following ways:
Recovery partition - 400MB
Recovery partition - 450MB
Recovery partition - 20GB
EFI System partition - 300MB
C: (boot, page file, crash dump, primary partition) NTFS - 338.07GB (31% free)
D: Data (primary partition) NTFS - 339.32GB (100% free)
My laptop keeps hanging, which I think could be due to the C: drive being so full. Sometimes it will hang with only a couple of tabs open in Firefox, and it has been known to hang on start up - though this is rare and hasn't happened for a while.
Task manager keeps saying 100% disk is being used (which leads me to wonder if it is to due with the free disk space in C: ) - and sometimes even task manager can hang. I have been wondering if utilising the D: partition could alleviate this problem.
I'm currently rewriting this on my phone due to the laptop hanging again. Since my HDD is partitioned into 3 recovery partitions, what is my D: Data for?
Can I merge it with my C: without adversely affecting my laptop?
Can I otherwise use my D: to store files safely?
Since it takes up almost half of my 750GB HDD space, I would find it odd if I was unable to utilise it and to find that it was also full of hidden recovery information. When someone (PC World) says they'll sell you a laptop with 750GB HDD space, they actually mean that they'll sell you one with less than half this free disk space?
The constant hanging has gone past infuriating and I would love to get it sorted - though even if it has nothing to do with freeing up space on the C: drive, I'd still love to know what this D: is for and if it can be used.
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I have this identical problem mentioned here : Scanning and repairing volume (?Volume...) on startup
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i have a client running windows 8.1. on a touchscreen laptop. He set a full scan and it was running for 58 hours till he finally shut it off.
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Quick scans take about a half hour.
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Jun 8, 2013
I am dual booting Windows 8 and win7. I actually have Windows 8 installed on its own hard drive and win 7 installed in its own hard drive. The win7 hard drive has been in use for the past 2 years and I have had Windows 8 running for about a week now. I purchased another hard drive for Windows 8 and left the old Win7 as it was.
I also have 3 other hard drives in the system. Everything is formatted NTFS.
So my system is as follows
Drive C - Boot Drive - I physically swap out the dedicated hard drive for Win 8 or Win 7
Drive D - internal 250 GB sata drive
Drive F - internal 250 GB sata drive
Drive H - internal 250 GB hard drive.
I have been running this config for about 2 years under Win7 with no problems.
The problem that I have now is when I swap the boot drive and boot up a different OS than last time (Like booting Windows 8, powering down system, swap boot drive, boot Win7) the system always says that there are problems on the 3 non-boot drives. It runs chkdsk(it least that is what it look like) and processes the 3 non boot disks one at a time which take about 10-12 minutes for all 3. Most of the time it finds no problems, but about 1 out of 5 boots will find a problem with one of the disks and then fixes it. The disks seem to be OK while I am running. I then power down and swap boot drive and reboot the other os and we start all over again. I am powering the system completely down for each reboot to make sure that the disk cache is flushed.So far the disk problems have been fixed by chkdsk at boot, but I am sure the day will come when the disk cannot be fixed and I will loose data.
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During this time I cannot get to the task manager, but other apps not using Windows Explorer work just fine.
Here's the details:
Source
Windows Explorer
Summary
Stopped responding and was closed
Date
8/8/2014 12:40 PM
Status
Report sent
Description
A problem caused this program to stop interacting with Windows.
Faulting Application Path:C:Windowsexplorer.exe
[Code] .....
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I am posting this message from Safe Mode and it's been the only way I've been able to get on it since upgrading to 8.1.
I've tried to isolate what could be the culprit driver, but have been unable to do so, so I've attached my SF Diagnostics zip file. I've run SFC /Scannow and it found no errors. I had absolutely no problems at all when I was running Windows 8, so I don't suspect any type of hardware issue.
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Jul 19, 2014
I have a friend with his broken HDD, ran chkdsk on it , after 120 hours it had gone up to 45% only and I got a bluescreen while playing dota 2 so chkdsk was interupted, when the pc jumped back I could access the HDD but it was super slow and after a restart I couldnt access it anymore, I unplugged the HDD thought it was gone forever and today I got another BSOD while I was on youtube. I got really scared cause I have had tons of trouble with this PC but after I switched out a damaged motherboard it all dissapeared and the PC was finally working 100%.
I deleted the old dumpfiles cause they were from when my motherboard was broken, if you find traces of the old dumpfiles, ignore them cause that problem is solved, its dumpfiles from july (its 2 of them) that are making me scared if I made a big mistake letting chkdsk run for that long on a bad hdd ...
SF diagnostic tool file:
SF_19-07-2014.rar - Speedy Share - upload your files here
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This happens about 10-20 mins after starting up my computer.
PS I ran all kinds of anti malware, anti adware, anti virus, anti autoexec, anti phising, and more. Something weird i noticed is that something (a program i assume) always tries to put off my auto updates but winpatrol detects it and i never allow it to make those changes.
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Windows Store failed to sync machine licenses. Result code 0x80070490
The speed of processor 0 in group 0 is being limited by system firmware. The processor has been in this
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The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power unexpectedly.
When I bought it new, it hanged up once before I downloaded any real software, so i updated my drivers and such and it started becoming less intermittent, so then I updated my bios (came from asus) and it stopped for a while - however within the past 7 days i had 4 restarts because of this (3 in one day).
I have read other posts - none of them can really apply because I don't have those drivers or those anti-virus software installed Windows 8.1 ...
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Jul 15, 2014
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Have attached the SF diagnostic zip.
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I updated the Intel Rapid Storage Driver but no improvement in situation of BSOD on waking up from sleep. Basically, the screen/desktop is visible and I can move the cursor and try to double click on programs, before getting the BSOD (collecting errors and restarting) screen.
I always do 'full shutdowns' /have disabled fast startup. Have also disabled some startup apps such as google updater and a couple others but the laptop is still taking around 3 minutes to boot with no HDD light activity for a couple of minutes (is this normal when fast startup is disabled???). Shut downs /entering sleep mode are swift.
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My system specs are the same as under my profile.
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